How wrong was Marx?
What an issue to debate- it’s probably in the same league of ‘Is There A God,’ and funnily enough when you think about it, the two may not be that far apart in discussion terms, given the saint-like status Marx and Engels are given by the Marxist faithful.
In fact the power of Marxism is that it has from the outset been promoted as a pseudo-religious philosophy [albeit in a ‘scientific’ guise], with its own ‘sacred’ texts, and this is no accident considering Marx’s personal background. But there is more to it than just a clever exercise in promotion; Marx provided an invaluable analysis of western capitalist society after the industrial revolution and a very persuasive model of how it works, and how it should be rigorously adapted to benefit the exploited people of the [majority] working classes.
His analysis was spot on in many respects, but personally I think that purity of his intellectual analysis has in the past been impracticably elevated to the level of ill-conceived myths of achievable political action. This can be seen in the failure of post 1917 communist Russia, the eventual Soviet Union, the communist stumblings in eastern Europe and the metamorphose of communism into autocratic capitalism in China [seemingly a contradiction in terms but not that bizarre a process, when thought through carefully]. So as the post that started this debate stated, it can be quite accurately said that the failure of the great twentieth century communist governmental experiments, had little to do with the failure of Marxist theory.
Although Marx’s theory is very sound in many respects, it is however, I believe, flawed in some significant areas. Now then personally, as a Socialist, I can quite unashamedly say that I have the luxury of being able to pick and choose the bits of Marxist theory I like, and criticise the rest, and as such this is not a criticism of the intellect of unreconstructed Marxists who have complete Faith in his world view, in the same way I have as a Christian, in another sphere of Faith!
However I think Marx and Engels did get too hung up on the concept of class as the simplistic definer of society’s make up. They ignored the existence of elites and sub-elites- which amongst many other things can spread across classes- and which I believe are greater, more historically consistent definers of human groupings and their inherent power structure. More so I think, than simple industrial classes, which are arguably a transitory phenomenon of the Industrial Age. This ‘traditional’ class structure has also been substantially eroded throughout the twentieth century until it has become a difficult concept to apply in 2010, onto most of the western world.
The other area I think Marx mistakenly rejected, was religion. I can see his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church, a huge power base in its own right, but Marxist rejection of religious practise and morals has done the Left as a whole a huge disservice over the years. Particularly at grass-roots, community level, there has been a huge ally in the form of religious groups left largely alienated by the Marxist decree of atheism being the only way to achieve a utopian, sense of ‘heaven here, on earth, now.’
This is ironic considering the pseudo-religious structure of Marxism itself and can be shown by this example. The argument that Marxism is an ‘apocalyptic’ system of belief, like say Christianity, is to me a persuasive one. The term ‘apocalypse’ itself is mis-understood, having largely been appropriated by Hollywood to mean a collective, societal sense these days of the end of the world as we know it, through man-made, alien or natural disaster. What it really means though, is a linear process of taking individual circumstance and placing it into a wider, eventually universal history. Judaeo-Christians can see this process in the Book of Daniel and Marxism apes this, breaking history into epochs that lead to a utopia. In the Marx tradition this starts with feudalism, leading to industrialisation and the age of the bourgeoisie, and onto the age of proletarian freedom and eventually, communist utopia.
Now I admit this may be a bit of a diversion from the original question, but I’ve outlined the above in an attempt to show that Marxism is not a radically different form of thinking, but is still rooted in a strong, human historical continuum and, as such, is [many would say reassuringly] naturally flawed.
One final thing; I believe it is wrong to say Marxism is dead and buried as a political force. Patrick was right in his article to say there is an element to classical Marxism that believes capitalism will destroy itself and that will usher in the new worker utopia, and I do believe we are indeed heading for a ‘fall.’ But this almost nihilistic 'just you wait and see' approach belies the true, very effective activities of reconstructed Marxists, inspired by the Frankfurt School, who have very cleverly taken Marxist theory ‘underground’ and it’s there, alive and kicking just behind its most unlikely of allies, neo-liberalism. But again, that’s a whole separate debate, and maybe I should start up another discussion about that...:)



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" Thanks for your response, Skemster. I'm afraid that I disagree with practically everything that you say! Now, whilst I'd agree that the political ideology of Russia and subsequent state-capitalist nations was in many ways akin to some kind of theocracy, with Marx, Lenin and later Stalin as the godheads, I'd want to argue fiercely against this notion of yours that Marxism is in any way like a religion. First of all, Marx would not have supported the Russian revolution as a socialist revolution. Certainly he would have argued that feudalism had to be overthrown and capitalism established before socialism became possible. But he would have clearly pointed out that the 1917 revolution was a revolution in the interests of capital. Secondly, Marx's lifelong motto was 'De Omnibus dubitandum'. Doubt everything, or question everything. Hardly a religious perspective. Moreover, towards the end of his life he said "All I know is that I am not a Marxist!" He said that in the light of some of the policies being adopted by parties calling themselves Marxist. Marxists oppose religion because we are materialist in our outlook. We oppose religion because it is reactionary and ill-informed and belongs in infancy of our species. We do not assert, like religious people, that we have all the answers. We have two powerful tools that Marx gave us: Historical Materialism and the Labour-theory of value which we use, alongside Marx's superlative analysis of capitalism to point out that the way forward for humanity does not lie in following leaders but in the conscious, democratic removal of capitalism. We have faith in nothing."
"Hi Yoghourt thank for your thoughtful comments which throw up some interesting issues! It's interesting that you point out Marxism is a materialist philosophy and in many ways it is, but I would argue there is a dichotomy in this when you dig deeper. I don't think on one hand you can say 'as Marxists we can't offer answers to everything, we have faith in nothing! ' and then offer a political theory that has strong, underlying 'historical' projections that do just that. Also I would reject your assertion that religion offers the answers to Everything in a human context; it is absolutist in a belief in The Divine, but isn't Marxism similar, in its assertion of a eventual Proletarian Utopia? Also religion is a vital instrument of criticism of, and doubt in, the overtly capitalised society we now live in, and as such, I think the far left is rejecting a useful ally in its rejection of the religious. Another flaw in Marxism, is its failure to tackle the issue of human elites in history [relying on the broad idea of 'feudalism' as the first world of the Marxist journey to the Apocalypse is too much of an intellectual cop out IMHO]. We are social animals who organise ourselves into 'packs' and although unlike some species who rely on an elite in order to exist, we nonetheless still rely on an elite in some shape or form, to lead or at very least represent us. Of course as a Marxist, I would expect you to argue that the total collapse of capitalism will lead to a 'new form of man' to overcome this, but I think that, at best, is a metaphysical/spiritual belief which takes me back to my original contention that the pure theory of Marxism is close to the religious, and at worst, smacks of eugenics. In other areas of thought, Marxists would criticise this line of thought regarding ‘the new man’ as an immaterial belief to be discarded, yet when it suits them to fill a hole in their theory, they accept it. I'm running out of space! Will have to make another "
"Just as an addendum to my last post... I believe socialism is a more pragmatic political solution to our human societal problems than Marxism and, when informed by the divine, is at its most rounded. Having said all of the above though, it is easy for people to criticise Marxism but if asked the question 'would the world be a better place without Karl Marx?' with serious thought of the real issues, I would imagine most people would have to say no, it would not be. Marx has offered an invaluable- and at times highly practicable- insight into the human condition. I still contend though it's a philosophy with a religious structure and tone, and as absolutist in it's purity of thought as any religion. I will now don my tin helmet and shelter in the shed lol"